Hi Mark
Thanks for adding the unknown wickets option. The time difference stopped me replying last night.
As far as I can see, the unknown wickets would have to be included in the wickets total? Here are a few scenarios:
(This is the one I am using). I know the team score (eg 4/150), but have no details about those four wickets. The only way I can display the four wickets in the team total is by listing the batsmen as being dismissed - but I would prefer to use "Unknown" rather than "Bowled". Bu not including the wickets in the total, I can't use this approach
A user is adding a scorecard, but the dismissal type for a player (or players) isn't known. But they still know the overall score, so would need these dismissals to be included in the team score
The only way I can see that it may be useful to not include the "unknown" wickets (there may be more!) is if you don't know who was out or not out in a scorecard. So you had 11 scores, but no idea who was in or out. In that case, it would be wrong to add them all as wickets? But not sure how common that scenario would be?
Hi Paul - I get that you may be using that scenario but others aren't. It sounds like you really wanted an "Unknown Out" howout type and not a truly Unknown (unknown meaning we dont know if it was out or not out).
I would be interested to hear what others want so we can work this out.
And by the way, this has the potential to spiral out in many directions so I want to move cautiously.
@Timothy Carrington @Pat Culpan @Steve Rogers
My choice would be an "Unknown - Out". My concern is without it being classed as an out your batting averages would be horrendous.
Yes you may give the odd batsman out who was not out, but the law of averages you get far more batsmen correct, ie in a full innings you have 11 outs, but this is far closer than 11 not outs. Failure to mark these batsmen out your batting averages reports will have players with a batting average in the hundreds if not thousands.
Maybe we could adopt the fairly standard way of reporting a scorecard when the team is all out, whether it is 9 down with an inured batter absent, the standard 10 down or in Paul's case with 11 "Unknown - out" that the scorecard only reflects the total as shown below without the number of wickets shown.
Here is an example from MyCricket where at the close of the innings the scorer is forced to give the reason for innings closure; "all out" "declared" or "compulsory closure"
Here is an example from Cricinfo
Unknown out definitely
Unknown out as well - so that it counts as a wicket, but the method of being out is unknown.
You guys made it fairly easy for me. I have changed the description in the drop-down to "UnknownOut" and it will just get treated as a dismissal.
It begs the question that maybe there is still a case for a true Unknown for ancient scorecards. If anyone needs this then please raise it as a new suggestion.